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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.08 08:41:00 -
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Solution proposal: NISK
Null sec wants to be completely autonomous. Let them. Let them effectively secede from the Union, and give them their own currency, NISK (Null Inter-Stellar Kredits) that can only be used in null to purchase null goods and services. Give null their POS upgrades and increase the number of available production slots by a factor of x10,000.
Sever all ties with "civilized" space completely, except 1 gate connection in each of the 4 empire's space. And that one connection should be on the furthest fringe system of space, as far away from any trade hub as possible. These 4 systems should be upgraded to 1.0 security and patrolled by CONCORD.
Goods produced in null space with NISK have 0 value anywhere else. Passing through one of the gates with illegal NISK goods will result in loss of ship and cargo. NISK can not be converted to ISK, or traded to other players outside of null space.
All null space residents receive a -10.0 security status that resets back to -10.0 daily, at every downtime.
Goods produced with ISK can be transported from high sec into null sec after paying a 50% sales tax.
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Kane Alvo
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
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Posted - 2013.03.08 11:23:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Kane Alvo wrote:Solution proposal: NISK
Null sec wants to be completely autonomous. Let them. Let them effectively secede from the Union, and give them their own currency, NISK (Null Inter-Stellar Kredits) that can only be used in null to purchase null goods and services. Give null their POS upgrades and increase the number of available production slots by a factor of x10,000.
Sever all ties with "civilized" space completely, except 1 gate connection in each of the 4 empire's space. And that one connection should be on the furthest fringe system of space, as far away from any trade hub as possible. These 4 systems should be upgraded to 1.0 security and patrolled by CONCORD.
Goods produced in null space with NISK have 0 value anywhere else. Passing through one of the gates with illegal NISK goods will result in loss of ship and cargo. NISK can not be converted to ISK, or traded to other players outside of null space.
All null space residents receive a -10.0 security status that resets back to -10.0 daily, at every downtime.
Goods produced with ISK can be transported from high sec into null sec after paying a 50% sales tax.
Why would anyone export anything as it would instantly be worthless. You might just say you are concerned about Null having a working industry as you would have to compete with more people and the markets would not just be in Hi-sec.
Null HAS a working industry. You null bears seem to think that you need the best version of every aspect of the game available in your own back yard. That's perfectly fine with me. You all want to be special snowflakes and be above the rest of the population, I'm fine with that too.
Giving null their own currency solves all the issues at hand. You're effectively cut off from dependence on high sec industry, logistics problems are eliminated, and you're still free to build the player-based economy that you should be building anyway, but aren't.
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Kane Alvo
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
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Posted - 2013.03.08 11:53:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Kane Alvo wrote:*insanity* Say goodbye to any T2 in highsec then. As it needs moongoo. which means, pretty much, nullsec.
Wait. You mean that no one area of space can have everything? Is it possible that they're in some way dependent on each other as part of a bigger picture? That interaction between the two is a necessity by design?
Say it ain't so. 
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:22:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Again, you are arguing the ontological fallacy: "because things are this way, that's the way they must be."
Since I have explained this to you at least twice, at this stage you're just trolling.
The tl;dr is that the "Nullsec = Somalia" is nothing more or less than a giant assumption that you're asserting without any evidence or analysis of why that might be other than HURR DURR NULLBEARS R ALL BIG DUMBO GANKERS DURR HURR stereotyping.
Frankly, it's beneath you, but on the other hand it does encourage me in my campaign, since if you had an argument with a shred of intellectual consistency, you'd be using that. And you're not.
I somewhat agree with you, Malcanis. Industry in null sec, while certainly more risky in some ways than high sec, it is infinitely more safe while under the umbrella of security of the major power blocks. And that is where I cease to agree with you on just about any other point of your entire platform.
Buffing null industry WILL NOT encourage null sec growth. There WILL NOT be indy corps lining up to move out to null. Buffing null industry will only further line the pockets of those at the top of the major alliances and nothing more. I can't decide if this crusade you're on makes you a hopeless optimist or an egregious liar.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:06:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Again it's about seeing it in it's total aspect and not just the way 'you yourself' use this/play.
Something that we see WAY too little on the forums.
What is this objectivity you speak of? Heretic! Burn him at the stake!
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:58:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:We will be quite happy when we turn null into high sec.
Fixed.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Fixed. And yes, CCP is full of intelligent people that see that the highsec brigade are utterly clueless about just about everything they ever choose to opine (and thus be wrong) about. That's why they're aiming to massively improve nullsec industry to make it better than what high has to offer.
Your motives are clear as well, especially when most of you null bears talk down to the rest of the population as if living in your deluxe apartment in the sky grants you special powers over everyone else. Pro tip: you're not special just because you live in null sec. You're too blind to see past your own ambition and often confuse needs vs wants...usually intentionally.
It's hilarious that most of you (including your chief drum beater, Malcanis) try to champion yourselves as wanting null sec buffs "for the common man". It reads exactly like what it really is: meaningless drivel. Null sec is intended to give large power blocks a very open end of the sandbox for player-generated content, and every single one of you advocates for more CCP and NPC intervention to make it more like high sec, at the same time calling for high sec nerfs. If you think for a second that players are going to start moving to null because of industrial opportunities, you're a fool and I'm telling you so.
The solution is very simple. If you want more, go take it. Go to war with your blue neighbors and expand your territory to include better tech opportunities. Form a coalition and go knock down the Goons door. Furthermore, even as a 3 month old newb, I can understand how the tiered industrial process works. Since you fail to understand even the very basic premise of industry and how the different areas of space need and interact with one another, then there's really not much help for you.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.09 00:11:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Wait did a "3 month old newb" say he knows more about how things work then Malcanis, Tippia, and the other Goons. Whom of which have years of experience dealing with it. Odd.
E: If thats the case, I would suggest attempting trying to "build an empire" using the failed mechanics CCP has put into place in null.
Yeah, odd that I understand the very fundamentals and these experienced players don't. Odd indeed. T2 production needs T1 goods, that must be imported from high sec, which can then be exported back. It's very simple. Null bears want it all in their own backyard. Personally, I'm all for giving null sec exactly what they want: complete autonomy. Cut them off completely from high sec, buff their industry, and even go so far as to give them their own form of currency.
Are you really going to try to make the point that it's difficult to build an empire, when you used Goons as an example just one sentence earlier? Really? These guys are a bunch of somethingawful.com forum trolls who have controlled large blocks of this game for how long now?
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:11:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Kane Alvo wrote:Yeah, odd that I understand the very fundamentals and these experienced players don't. Odd indeed. Except you don't. "Balance" is something I'd consider fundamental, and that's something you clearly don't understand.
Oh, no. I understand balance perfectly. Give null bears everything they want, including a high sec nerf, because they clearly have a better direction for the game than those who designed it. See? It's not so difficult to understand after all.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:41:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:It doesn't seem you even understand what we want, so it's a little difficult to take anything you say seriously.
I'm just curious, do you have any of your own thoughts on this topic, or are you just content to be the fat kid trying to fit in at the back of the crowd chanting "YEAH! WHAT SHE SAID!" about everything? Seems to be a common theme with you.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:11:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Never not be nerfing nullsec. Eventually the crying will stop.
When it's dead.
Let it die. Reading these threads, it sure sounds like you need high sec a lot more than high sec needs you. And that's the part the pisses off the null bears the most.
Null sec has ABC, but they want XYZ.
High sec has XYZ, so nerf high sec.
Sounds fair. Where's my snazzy Vote for Malcanis campaign button?
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.10 03:35:00 -
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Zhade Lezte wrote:Now imagine that, but without CONCORD protection! Because that is the current nullsec reality of needing to refine and build in separate outposts (and sometimes sell in a third!)
Please. Tell us again how hard it is for null sec to earn ISK, especially Goons. It's soooooo interesting.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.10 05:00:00 -
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Actually, I have great admiration for the Goons. Near as I can tell, and by any measure of success, they're winning Eve.
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Posted - 2013.03.10 15:25:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:But to be honest I don't care about big alliances in anyway other than the effect bootum up income and a usage based sov will have.
I care about the industrialists be they part of an alliance or solo, now these people myself included deserve and for that matter pay for more than just getting stuffed into hi sec and being told to rot.
i-+ro-+ny [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-]
noun, plural i-+ro-+nies.
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning. Eg: Frying Doom doesn't care about big power blocks, he cares about the little guy. Has "vote for Malcanis" in his forum signature.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.10 16:25:00 -
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I support Psychotic Monk for one reason, and one reason only: of all the CSM candidates, he is the only one advocating for emergent, aka player-generated content. Which in my opinion, is something those of you in null sec should be doing...creating your own content instead of asking for handouts.
As a new player, the vast majority of what I see emanating from null is elitism. Most of the null bear advocates seem to think they're above everyone else as if null is some kind of exclusive neighborhood, and the rest of us are just high sec peeons...and I don't even live in high sec.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.10 18:04:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Kane Alvo wrote:I support Psychotic Monk for one reason, and one reason only: of all the CSM candidates, he is the only one advocating for emergent, aka player-generated content. Which in my opinion, is something those of you in null sec should be doing...creating your own content instead of asking for handouts.
As a new player, the vast majority of what I see emanating from null is elitism. Most of the null bear advocates seem to think they're above everyone else as if null is some kind of exclusive neighborhood, and the rest of us are just high sec peeons...and I don't even live in high sec. yeah giving people destructible industry services that were actually worth using probably wouldn't help generate any content. you're right.
I know I'm right, along with a great many others. Null bears are calling for CCP intervention to fix their industry woes, when they should be doing it themselves. Instead, you're all content to roam your sovereign space, blue your neighbors, and whine about what you don't have. There's nothing stopping you from setting up trade agreements with other alliances, creating trade hubs, or any number of things....including going to war and expanding your territory for access to more industry options.
Yes, POSs need to be fixed. Yes, corp roles need fixed. Yes, you probably do need more industry slots. But the calls to be fully independent of high sec T1 production are ludicrous. The calls for "we should have access to everything without logistics" are equally stupid. And there's no reason to nerf other areas of space just so you can all feel like special snowflakes for 5 minutes until you find something else to whine about.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.10 18:10:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Yeah, screw nullsec, just go back to highsec (where you already are anyway). Your kind has to be FORCED to rely on CONCORD and the NPC corps.
Thanks for the pro tip. I'll inform my CEO that we've been doing this faction war thing wrong. All this time, we've been in low sec, but apparently we should be in high sec under the protection of CONCORD and NPC corps.
Since you're an expert, where can I find faction war plexes in high sec? Hold on, I wanna get a pen and paper so I can write this down.
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:38:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Factional warfare is also a low barrier to entry.
Apparently null sec's barrier to entry is too high for most of you?
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.11 15:33:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:As far as what you said about industrial corps, that's kind of the exact problem we're trying to address here.
Who do you guys think you're fooling with this line, anyway? It's been a few pages since any of you played the "greater good" card, so at least you're not laying it on as thick as you once were. No one honestly believes that any of you are advocating for null sec industry "for the little guy" or to attract indy corps into null. It's not going to happen.
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:You've never been in a single nullsec alliance or corporation. What makes you so sure of any of what you're saying when it's demonstrably untrue given that despite everything there are already some nullsec industrial corps, AND despite that several people have said they would like to do industry in null if it were feasible?
I've never been a carpenter either, but I can say with a fair degree of certainty that a house without a roof is going to get wet.
"Some" nullsec industrial corps and "several people" who would do industry do not equal the wide sweeping changes that are being advocated in this thread, or by some of the CSM candidates. Industry in null is already feasible. Maybe it's not convenient or as profitable as you would like, but don't act as if it's broken completely.
Players will make their own choices. You could buff null industry until you're blue in the face, and it still won't attract the vast majority of the risk averse high sec industrialists. If it were (using your word here) feasible for them to be in null sec, then that's where they'd already be. The majority of them are in high sec because they don't want the bother of looking over their shoulder. They don't want the PvP element. They don't want to deal with super NPC spawns in belts. They don't want to be just another cog in the machine of a null sec super alliance.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:10:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:PS Can you detail your nullsec experience?
PPS Can you detail your public office experience?
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:08:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Maybe it's hard for me to understand because the **** you're saying is blatantly untrue.
You're spewing a ton of crap about how everyone who doesn't go to null must automatically be risk averse, and how that's the ONLY reason - no, it can't possibly have anything to do with the game mechanics concerning industry.
I'm quite sure the risk aversity is why a lot of people are in highsec, but there are a sizeable number of people in nullsec alliances who do their industry in highsec. Why? It's not because they're averse to risk.
No, nullsec industry is not feasible.
It's broken.
It needs to be fixed.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?
No, it's not blatantly untrue. Quite the contrary, it's blatantly obvious.
Are you SERIOUSLY trying to lead anyone to believe that the lack of industrial players/corps in null sec is due to lack of industrial opportunities? Furthermore, I didn't say that risk avoidance was the only reason, I said it was the main reason. There are others clearly listed in my previous post. Why do null sec alliances do their industry in high sec? The same reason high sec alliances do their industry in high sec. The math isn't that difficult. And if you think risk aversion isn't part of that equation, again, I'd remind you to remove those rose colored glasses.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Maybe you should ask Psychotic Monk that same question, or anybody else who is running for or who has previously held a position on CSM.
Maybe you should keep your nose out of posts that have nothing to do with you? You're having a hard enough time keeping up with your own.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.11 21:57:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.
As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.
But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.
Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.
The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec.
Finally. At least someone gets it. Thank you for your non-drama queen response that actually makes sense for a buff to null industry.
This, I can get on board with. Approved.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:43:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY PERSONAL AGENDA!
Thank you for clarifying. And here you had us all confused with your previous posts on this topic.
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Kane Alvo
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Posted - 2013.03.12 00:24:00 -
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Antir wrote:Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk.
1) Open contacts.
2) Scroll through large list of blue.
3) Remove blue.
4) Congratulations, you just added conflict drivers in null sec.
5) Undock. Assets are now at risk.
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